I am finding this debate really interesting. I am an agnostic from Australia with a slightly left leaning, and for me 'Family Values' encompass the values I gained from my family; love, support, forgiveness, belief and understanding. These to me have been the values I have found strongly represented by the members of this site as they have helped my husband and I through our struggles.
I am not sure if I see the term differently because of where I am and my experiences, but I would be hard pressed to consider a phrase that would cover as much as this phrase.
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I'm a buddhist yet I find that the coverskin for TTF is not hard hitting at all. What's wrong with family values? It does not matter if you are rasied by a single parent, an aunt or uncle, a guardian, or a couple of aliens. Family values are things that parents teach to children, and encompass such things as Love, Respect, and responsibilty. So what if you are a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian or an Atheist? Those values are true and timeless. They will always be there.
OK, I'm happy to leave it there as everyone who's interested seems to have expressed their opinion.
I'd just like to make it clear that I have never doubted the intentions of the admin, and I never meant to suggest that there is any agenda behind TTF except mutual help and support.
Having looked again at the front page, it doesn't look as bad as I originally thought, and it is made clear in the text that there is no particular religious affiliation.
Keep up the good work and thanks to everyone who contributed to this debate.
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Sheemie, Not offended at all, Just peeved that sometimes we make an issue of something so trivial. This site is ultimatley free, and the objective is to help people. I applaud the creators of this site, and contribute a considerable amount of time to assisting others. So it peeves me that some individuals pick on something that is really not a cause for concern, and feel that they should just genuinely feel thankful of what this site is, and does. It is clear this site does not intend to hurt anyone, quite the opposite in fact. So i appologise to you, as I have come across a little defensive, But hopefully I have explained why. And perhaps Dominus is right, Maybe in UK the term family values is defined differently to everywhere else in the world.
Lets leave it as that, and focus on what we are all actually here for. To help oneself and others.
Wish you all the best.
FoolishMind, others seem to have a lot of respect for you - you have obviously helped out a lot of people on this forum, you are heavily involved and I believe your intentions are good. However, this post from you reeks with ARROGANCE. Who are you to say what issue is trivial, and what isn't? The fact that this thread exists, and that some people have shown displeasure with the status quo reflects that to them, it is NOT trivial.
I am also jumping on the bandwagon here... I believe the term family-values is very right wing, and has strong homophobic anti-non-nuclear connotations. You may have your view of what the term means, you may have even done the research - you may even be technically correct, however I think you need to think about whats important - and that is - what do people who visit this site think? And if this forum is any indiciation, not everybody agrees with you.
To you its walking on eggshells - to others its whether they feel comfortable enough to come here and participate.
When I was young it seemed that life was so wonderful.... a miracle. Oh it was beautiful, magical.
I have to say that I also side with illumination on this one for some of the same reason. However, I do not want to join the fray on this. I am already a member and those associations I may have with some of the groups that use this term have nothing to do with my experience here. This is a fantastic group of caring and thoughtful members.
With that, if you are looking for alternatives to the graphic in question and need some one to help with production/design, then might I suggested GREENIE ( thats me !). I would be happy to do it.
Scooter, I'm sorry you feel that post comes across as arrogant. I clearly have not articulated myself well enough. I am clearly somewhat naive and ignorant to newer modern meanings of certain terms that have been considered innocent for centuries.
As stated earlier, I will now refrain from entering into further banter on this thread and continue to focus on what this site is actually about.
Wish you the best of luck
And I will extend my apologies to all that I have offended through my potential arrogant comments fueled by naivety and ignorance.
I'm pretty new to this site and I have to confess that this thread is rather discouraging to me personally. All this banter back and forth over semantics and paradigms saddens me greatly. Porn is one of the single greatest destructors of the family (HOWEVER YOU DEFINE IT). Porn, specifically my exhusband's addition to porn, destroyed my marriage, left me in complete and utter depression and in my quest to understand it's hold on my exhusband, managed to ensare me in it's ugly grip.
I care deeply about the family and the obvious deconstruction it's going through and more importantly, porn's role in it. I come here for encouragement, insight and hope. I do not come here to read about right wing, left wing, center of the road, nuclear, same sex, adopted, divorced, never married kind of heated debates. Regardless of your persuasion, can't we all agree that porn is ruining families and ultimately society? I thought were were here to fight porn and it's negative influence on humanity not each other over something silly like semantics.
Who are we serving by expending so much energy bickering about a phrase? I like that the main page addresses the family. It should. It's the main reason, I suspect, that many people are here attempting to find freedom from porn. So, let's celebrate that. Let's celebrate our choice to be free. Let's celebrate our unity of purpose. Let's celebrate this "family" of people committed to helping one another through all the hurt, pain, disappointment and despair that led us (or our loved ones) to a porn addiction. And let's focus on reconstructing our lives to be healthy, happy and porn free.
My fear is that other newbies like myself who come accross threads such as this may be discouraged to the point of leaving this site permanently. I don't think that's anyone's goal here, so I strongly recommend addressing concerns like this privately with the Admin instead of making it a public debate.
"It's never too late to be who you might have been." ~George Elliot
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Or even better, make a debate forum. Although I'm not sure if that is a good idea or not, since alot of forums have a patchy record when it comes to debate.
I've just deleted a really long, argumentative post I hadtyped out. I think we should agree to disagree here. My only request is that admin be continually mindful to ensure that people from all walks of life, with any array of values, feel welcome here and comfortable enough to seek help.
When I was young it seemed that life was so wonderful.... a miracle. Oh it was beautiful, magical.
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